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just bought DID 520v3 chain for my 2013 cb500F.....is it safe to use the spring link.......or is the rivet link safer....thanks in advance
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Rivet link every time I would say.
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Another vote for rivet link.

I had a clip-link come apart on a motocross bike in the early 1980s and have never trusted them since. I would never use on a street bike. Of course, you'll hear anecdotes from the "other side" that say they've used them for 40 years without fail but just know they are far easier to disassemble than riveted link; think about that when you're on the highway at 120kph...
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A rivet it safer, so long as you do it properly, but that does not necessarily mean a clip is unsafe.

Some people twist some fine wire around the clip and plate just to make sure it does not come off. But all the arguments against them I have read always refer to something once long ago, usually to someone else, so maybe the engineering has improved? And presumably they cannot be that bad if they still sell them for road chains when there are other alternatives now such as a screw link.

When I replaced my chain I was tempted to use a clip so I could easily remove it to clean (as mine usually end up getting surface rust due to being kept outside) but in the end I decided to go with a rivet.
I have used the clip links for literally 50 years (since 1965) for both racing and street riding and NEVER had one fail ever! The thing to be sure of is NOT to accidentally spring the little clip to the point where it doesn't "grab" in the teeny grooves. Also, make sure you put the clip on in the proper direction: so that the rotation of the chain tends to force the clip ON. In other words, make sure the closed end of the clip, when the chain is on the top of its rotation, is mounted toward the engine.
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thanks guys........looks like the rivet won the vote
thanks guys........looks like the rivet won the vote
Just like the election, your voting doesn't count. Just opinions, with NO real facts to back it up!
With a rivet link there's no need for a "just in case" daub of silicone glue or a piece of safety wire. No need to worry about getting the fiddly little clip in the tiny little grooves just so. No need to be concerned if it's in the right orientation or worry if it was dislodged when you backed the bike out of the garage or something made contact with the chain at speed.

Clip-links were handy when routine chain maintenance required pulling the chain off the bike, soaking it in trays of kerosene and then oil to clean and lubricate it. They're still handy for machines where rapid field replacement is required such as off-road motocross (between motos) or enduro bikes (out in the middle of nowhere). If you don't have those requirements, why risk it?

Chain manufacturer D.I.D. has a chain specification: https://didchain.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-Chain-Spec-Chart.pdf

Here's a table in that spec:



Their recommendation is that standard clip style links (RJ) are intended for small (think moped) bikes with non-O-ring chains. For middle sized bikes (I'm thinking sub-200cc machines) they're saying a safety clip is acceptable with a press-on side plate; if the clip falls off, the chain isn't going to automatically depart the machine and end up tangled in the swingarm, half-way into your engine case or snaking down the highway; the press-on plate gives a second-level of protection against failure. You'd be wise to inspect that clip pretty much every time you ride as part of your T-CLOC checklist.

But for "large" motorcycles -- a category into which the CBR500 easily slots -- they're recommending press-fit plate and riveted pins for added security.

A chain tool is neither expensive nor hard to use. Clips are handy and convenient on vintage, small and off-road machines. Rivets are more robust and safer for large street machines. Those are the facts.

As usual, YMMV.
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But with a rivet link you can worry that you have it too loose or too tight. The margin for error is quite small so it can be just as fiddly as getting your clip in the grooves. Also:

For middle sized bikes (I'm thinking sub-200cc machines) they're saying a safety clip is acceptable with a press-on side plate
You may be thinking they are for only up to 200cc, but D.I.D. do not. They include FJ links with their 520VX3 chain, which is in a series "for numerous street and off road motorcycles from 350cc to 1100cc." It is only the 530 chain where you can only use a ZJ link.


(That said, my chain came with both FJ and ZJ options in the bag. Something I only realized after I separately buying and installing a VX2 rivet link (as I could not find a VX3).)
With a rivet link there's no need for a "just in case" daub of silicone glue or a piece of safety wire. No need to worry about getting the fiddly little clip in the tiny little grooves just so. No need to be concerned if it's in the right orientation or worry if it was dislodged when you backed the bike out of the garage or something made contact with the chain at speed.

Clip-links were handy when routine chain maintenance required pulling the chain off the bike, soaking it in trays of kerosene and then oil to clean and lubricate it. They're still handy for machines where rapid field replacement is required such as off-road motocross (between motos) or enduro bikes (out in the middle of nowhere). If you don't have those requirements, why risk it?

Chain manufacturer D.I.D. has a chain specification: https://didchain.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-Chain-Spec-Chart.pdf

Here's a table in that spec:



Their recommendation is that standard clip style links (RJ) are intended for small (think moped) bikes with non-O-ring chains. For middle sized bikes (I'm thinking sub-200cc machines) they're saying a safety clip is acceptable with a press-on side plate; if the clip falls off, the chain isn't going to automatically depart the machine and end up tangled in the swingarm, half-way into your engine case or snaking down the highway; the press-on plate gives a second-level of protection against failure. You'd be wise to inspect that clip pretty much every time you ride as part of your T-CLOC checklist.

But for "large" motorcycles -- a category into which the CBR500 easily slots -- they're recommending press-fit plate and riveted pins for added security.

A chain tool is neither expensive nor hard to use. Clips are handy and convenient on vintage, small and off-road machines. Rivets are more robust and safer for large street machines. Those are the facts.

As usual, YMMV.
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I have used clip type master links since 1953. That I still use them when fitting a new chain speaks to the reliability of properly fitted clip-type links. As has been stated above, with all the legal hurdles manufacturers face, DID and other chain manufacturers still feel it's appropriate to fit a clip-type link with their replacement chains.

Ralph
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I have used clip type master links since 1953. That I still use them when fitting a new chain speaks to the reliability of properly fitted clip-type links. As has been stated above, with all the legal hurdles manufacturers face, DID and other chain manufacturers still feel it's appropriate to fit a clip-type link with their replacement chains.

Ralph
I have used clip type master links since 1953. That I still use them when fitting a new chain speaks to the reliability of properly fitted clip-type links. As has been stated above, with all the legal hurdles manufacturers face, DID and other chain manufacturers still feel it's appropriate to fit a clip-type link with their replacement chains.

Ralph
Yup, me too. Never had a failure. Even worked in a MC shop and never heard of a failure - even on big bikes!
Dead thread revival! Yay! Just bought a new OEM chain from Honda and it's a clip style chain 💀 I'm not grossly worried about the chain flying apart at high-speed, always used clip style in enduro so I was kinda shocked to see such a debate over clip vs rivet
This reminder may be unnecessary, but when fitting the clip-type link,. be sure that the closed end of the clip faces in the direction of the chain's travel.
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