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I hope to be purchasing a new bike this summer....to replace my Rebel 300. One of the reasons for replacement is the rebel 300 isn't what I'm looking for. I'm a newbie, and just started riding last fall. The Rebel 300 got all these great reviews saying it's a great 1st bike. And it HAS been a good 1st bike for me, but it's time to move on.

This leads me to ask "What do I want to do?" "What kind of riding will (or want) I be doing?" Even before I bought the Rebel, I thought I wanted a cruiser. But this is clearly not the case. (I thought I would sell the rebel and move up to a Honda Shadow, but that's off the table now...I don't want a cruiser)

I'm looking at a few things 1) riding around my small town in the midwest. (40k population) 2) taking day trips, mostly involving back roads....the interstate is not for me) 3) I've become interested in motorcycle camping. So being able to have bags and such lashed to the back is important. I don't think I'll go hard cases...just bags should do. 4) A bit of traveling by motorcycle. I have friends in neighboring states and I'd like to take the bike to visit them.

I had previously been considering the CB500F and the Yamaha mt07. Both good bikes. But now I'm considering the CB500X instead of the F. Although the X is classified as an adventure bike, I see a lot of people referring to it as an 'everything' bike. Adventure, day tripper, long distance bike...a little bit of everything. There seems to be a lot of youtube videos that are extremely positive about the X.

For a while, I thought the naked MT 07 was going to be it for me. But recently, I've been looking into the CB500x...and it's checking off all the right boxes. It's just that the MT07 gets outstanding reviews and they say it's clearly the leader in it's class. But the X gets raves for it's long term riding comfort (important to me) and ability to carry bags. I don't think I'd ever take either off road. Even dirt roads. The higher hp of the MT07 is mostly meaningless to me.

The 2019 models aren't even in the dealerships yet. (well, a few are trickling in) I'm looking for feedback and people with experience.
 

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I have an F and an X, and it sounds like you should try the X. I bought the F 5 years ago, and it has been a great bike. I tried to make it fit a dual purpose role, purchasing Rally Raid's level 1 kit, wheels, and bits. I envisioned having TKC80s on the spoked rims, street tires on the stock rims and being able to swap. It was a good plan, but I found the more aggressive seating postion and overall geometry just not quite right for dirt and off-road riding. Even touring or long days started giving me pinches and pains. I found a used X at a decent used price last year. I swapped all of the RR stuff onto it, and now it serves the ADV and longer rides role. It is different from the F. Surprisingly so. I still have the F. I use it as my commuter, and for shorter rides with friends. One friend has the FZ07. I've ridden it. It's nice, that power is nice, but I found it more uncomfortable than my F. Like I started with, I recommend you try the X. It is more versatile. You can add RR parts and such. They can be found used for really good prices. The new '19 looks interesting with the changes such as the 19" front wheel, but I would get an older model used one and set it up with RR parts for about the same money. If you can find a used one that somebody already Rally Raided out, even better. Good luck.
 

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If you're insisting on a 500 then I think the X makes good sense for you. I've never ridden one, but I know the R is uncomfortable for highway riding, and the F isn't all that different, an the X has the best chance of being different. I'm not sure that an X is a better fit than some other completely different bike though. The X still has its disadvantages. Higher seat high if you're not tall, and it's still pretty heavy for on dirt. You generally say you won't ride on dirt though (which amuses me because dirt/gravel doesn't even bother me on the R). I haven't ridden an X, but I'm skeptical that the ride quality is all that much better than the R. I think you've ruled out cruisers too fast. It sounds like you need a cruiser or a touring bike. If you're made of money then go for a Gold Wing or something. If money is an issue then I think a reasonably sized/priced cruiser may be a good bet. I think the X is more adventure than you sound like you care to have, and if comfort is your goal then I don't think you'll find it here.
 

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If you're insisting on a 500 then I think the X makes good sense for you. I've never ridden one, but I know the R is uncomfortable for highway riding, and the F isn't all that different, an the X has the best chance of being different. I'm not sure that an X is a better fit than some other completely different bike though. The X still has its disadvantages. Higher seat high if you're not tall, and it's still pretty heavy for on dirt. You generally say you won't ride on dirt though (which amuses me because dirt/gravel doesn't even bother me on the R). I haven't ridden an X, but I'm skeptical that the ride quality is all that much better than the R. I think you've ruled out cruisers too fast. It sounds like you need a cruiser or a touring bike. If you're made of money then go for a Gold Wing or something. If money is an issue then I think a reasonably sized/priced cruiser may be a good bet. I think the X is more adventure than you sound like you care to have, and if comfort is your goal then I don't think you'll find it here.
One of the reasons I've ruled out cruisers is the foot position. I have sat on several cruisers at the dealership, and I REALLY don't like the 'feet forward' position. I like my feet underneath or tucked back....but upright body. (And the CBR is definitely NOT upright) I also like the idea of something lighter and nimble, and those big cruisers I sat on made me feel like I was sitting on a tank. And I bet the Goldwing would be twice as bad.

I'm 5'10" and 200lbs. I don't think the X height will be an issue.

I did sit on a 2018 MT 07....and it felt good...but it wasn't magical. But starting in '18, they made the seat bigger, which is important to me. I sat on a SV650...and that felt fantastic, but there's internet rumblings about that bike having excessive engine vibrations. (Deal killer for me) I guess sitting on an X for the first time will be an education.
 

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Since you say that you don't want to be riding on the interstate, I'd suggest the Kawasaki Versys X- 300. It's won't have the power of the 500, more like your 300 now, but it's lighter and comes ready with things like a windshield and rear carrier. With the larger fuel tank over the Yamaha, it will also have great fuel economy like the 500 series does now. You can even get some decent OEM accessories if you decide you really like the bike. I have the 500X and the points on the hand rail make for some decent-enough tie down spots when I carry gear.



I'd say I guess it depends on how much camping activity/traveling you actually do as opposed to be mostly in town or fun rides like, say on the weekend or after work. If you don't in reality end up doing that much, honestly, either the 500F, MT-07 or 500X would be more than adequate. Between the 500F and MT-07, I would say probably the MT-07 just because it really is that "much" more of an engine compared to the 500 line, if topping out to 125ish mph is your thing. But, if distance is your thing, the bigger gas tanks of the 500 line may be worth it too you. I can't imagine not getting 210 plus miles on a tank now.


Whatever bike you choose, in order to do some camping, do yourself a favor and make sure you can get a center stand for the bike you select. It makes off road parking soooo much easier.
 

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Since you say that you don't want to be riding on the interstate, I'd suggest the Kawasaki Versys X- 300. It's won't have the power of the 500, more like your 300 now, but it's lighter and comes ready with things like a windshield and rear carrier. With the larger fuel tank over the Yamaha, it will also have great fuel economy like the 500 series does now. You can even get some decent OEM accessories if you decide you really like the bike. I have the 500X and the points on the hand rail make for some decent-enough tie down spots when I carry gear.

I'd say I guess it depends on how much camping activity/traveling you actually do as opposed to be mostly in town or fun rides like, say on the weekend or after work. If you don't in reality end up doing that much, honestly, either the 500F, MT-07 or 500X would be more than adequate. Between the 500F and MT-07, I would say probably the MT-07 just because it really is that "much" more of an engine compared to the 500 line, if topping out to 125ish mph is your thing. But, if distance is your thing, the bigger gas tanks of the 500 line may be worth it too you. I can't imagine not getting 210 plus miles on a tank now.
Whatever bike you choose, in order to do some camping, do yourself a favor and make sure you can get a center stand for the bike you select. It makes off road parking soooo much easier.
I think I've pretty much decided against the MT 07...I want a more upright riding position. Every time I sit on the MT 07...I lean a little more forward than I want to. Funny you should bring up the Versys. The MT07 has been dropped in favor of the Versys...but the 650 model rather than the 300. It's more power than I need. But it's still in the adventure category.....and by adventure, I mean daily driver, off road, runabout, long distance...a little bit of everything like the 500X. So it's down to the 500X and the Versys 650.

My Rebel 300...the only bike I've ever ridden... vibrates outrageously at high rpms. I didn't know if it's because it's a single cylinder...or if this is just the way motorcycles are. At the dealership the other day, they let me ride a used Versys 650. And it was SO SMOOTH! It made me realize the rebel is NOT for me. (it feels like I'm riding an electric sander) So now I know multi cylinder bikes don't vibrate so much.

There are new 2018 Versys 650's out there. But the CB500x is new for 2019..and several dealerships are vague about when they'll get them in. (Two dealerships say Honda is the one that's vague) So it looks like I could pick up a 2018 Versys 650 now for a discount. There doesn't seem to be any major changes or updates for 2019. The price of last year's 650 could put it just a little above the 2019 CB500X.

The smoothness of that parallel twin in the 650 makes it so I don't even want to ride my rebel anymore. The vibrations are THAT bad. I may ride it back to the dealership and have one of their service people ride it...just to confirm that's what it's supposed to be like. My hands and butt start going numb in just a few minutes.

Topping out at 65mph is my thing.
 

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It wouldn't surprise me if the Rebel normally vibrates that much. I've had the 250 Nighthawk, I know it's a completely different bike, that vibrated like crazy. Some bikes do, some don't *shrug*. Anyway, the Versys 650 is a great and time tested bike. Might as well get the LT version as it does come with the saddlebags by default. Even if you don't use them specifically, the mounting system should hopefully give you options for what you do what to put on the back at times, and it's one less thing to buy. Lot's of accessories for that bike, too. Moreso, I believe, than the 500X. Plus, I think the 2018 version includes the most recent upgrades they did for that bike, which I believe was 2016 or 17.



I also test rode a used Ver650 before settling on the 500X. For me, it was just a matter of price at the time as I got a '15 500X for $5,200 and change total.
 

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My Rebel 300...the only bike I've ever ridden... vibrates outrageously at high rpms. I didn't know if it's because it's a single cylinder...or if this is just the way motorcycles are. At the dealership the other day, they let me ride a used Versys 650. And it was SO SMOOTH! It made me realize the rebel is NOT for me. (it feels like I'm riding an electric sander) So now I know multi cylinder bikes don't vibrate so much.
Just for the record, my 500 vibrates like crazy at around 4500 RPM, which is required for highway riding (100 km/h is about 4900 RPM in 6th gear if I recall correctly). The 500 definitely vibrates. I cannot say whether the Versys vibrates less, but I can say that the 500 is a cheap bike and you get what you pay for. The Versys may not be much better, but I bet it would be a little better anyway. Definitely take the 500X for a ride before you buy it anyway. Mind you, I have the R, not the X, but I think the engine is identical and I doubt the X is any smoother in that regard. That said, I think vibrations are just an unavoidable reality for motorcycles. Good riding gloves help the hands. You can also get cushioned grip covers and seat covers to get a few more miles out of it before it becomes too much to bear.
 

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I am almost afraid to add my 2 cents, but.... I have a 2016 500F which I love. I mostly use it for commuting & fun day trips. However I have toured on it many times & find it adequate for the task. I have logged plenty of 5-6 hour rides with no physical complaints. As to vibration I have to ask, what vibration? It seems very smooth to me throughout the rev range. I have also ridden it on dirt roads & it seems fine if the road is in reasonable condition. I know you have been thinking about a new bike for awhile & all I can say is to test ride everything you can & then lay your money down. The 500 line is a good value & economical to run. Buy a used one if you are not sure & want to save money.
 

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I chose the F over the X mainly because of the seat height. I installed a center stand first. Now, I am trying to figure out what order to get the other accessories that I want.
 

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Opinions are as the say "Like A H's, Everyone Has One". LOL

I have only ridden a CB500X, so don't know about the other CB500s. That said, I have had Cruisers (600 and 800) and a NINJA 500, and Burgman 650 and 400 Scooters (they are great rides).

My CB500X is a 2014 I bought used with 15K on it in 2015. I now have right at 60,000 on it. The reason it had 15K miles is the bike was a soldiers bought in Hawaii, transferred to Ca when he got out, he rode it to Alaska and back to GA and traded it. I found it and it had a few dings and high mileage so got a decent price. I bought it from a dealer in GA.

I have only changed Oil, Chains & Sprockets, Brake Pads, Tires (do my own) and one rear wheel bearing I had a friend change as takes special tools and knowledge (failed at like 50,000 some miles).

I have never adjusted valves or changed plugs. I have had some issues with batteries (See recent new post I made today, 04-28-2019)

I am 5' 8" (28" or less inseam) I weigh from 194 (now) to 206 GROAN. I can flat foot, but not much leverage even with a 1 inch lowering kit. I need 2 inch lowering kit.

I put in a lowering kit on (easy to do). I went with 1 inch because I had added a center stand and did not need to shorten the center stand or the side stand with 1 inch kit. I just have to watch a bit the angle of the road when using the side stand.

Also, the seat height does present a bit of a problem say when trying to turn around with feet on the ground in some situations (rough back country or gravel roads).

The bike gets right at 70 MPG (buddy gets 80 MPG from his NC700X). The 500 has plenty good acceleration and top speed around 95 (realistic), so OK at 70s on Interstate. It has a wide RPM range (8500 red line) allows revving up in gears. I sometimes rev up and switch thru (skip) a couple gears to get to a higher gear.

It handles very good, nearly a sport bike. I live in East TN (do some very curvy roads, steep switchbacks and Mtn roads, and a lot of rough back roads, pig paths, including gravel Forest roads. I do not do trail riding but have gotten into rougher roads than I should be on at 80 years old a few times and rode it out. I run a 20% / 80% tires (SHINKO -- good results and reasonable).

I switch windshield in winter as I ride from 35F to 95F temperatures as long as I don't think there is ice hidden on shady areas). I adapted an upside down Burgman 400 Scooter Windshield a friend had to the CB500X. I take it off in the summer and put standard windshield on. The wind feels good on those 85 and 95F days.

The CB500X is a very versatile bike - sounds like you need a CB500X vs a pure street bike (and for sure not a cruiser). :surprise:
 

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I'd go with the cb500X.
This bike is basically a cb500f with large windscreen upright seating position perfect for long distance touring and can do a little bit off-roading
CB500F is only for good commuting or a city bike
 
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