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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 03-30-2015, 12:50 PM Thread Starter
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Oil Capacity - What To Believe

I'm in my 48th year of owning/riding/racing motorcycles. I've done all my own maintenance except for having a few wheel bearings pressed in. This 2014 CB500F is my 23rd motorcycle. I say these things just because none of you know me and I wanted to let you know I've been around the block a few times regarding motorcycle maintenance.

This is a great motorcycle but the issue of oil capacity versus checking oil level (capacity) via the sight window is very confusing. The owner's manual and the official Honda service manual (which I have) give 2 pieces of direction: 1) The oil capacity when refilling after an oil AND filter change is 2.9 US qts, and 2) Oil level is checked using the sight glass, desired level between the lower and upper marks. I've had my own issue reconciling these two directions.

Yesterday I drained the oil and replaced the filter. Using a measuring cup I poured in 2 quarts + 29 ounces. That's 2.9 quarts. The level in the sight glass was exactly at the top line. Wonderful. Should mention the bike was chocked and standing straight up.

I started up the bike, let it run for a few minutes, turned it off, waited for a few minutes, then 15 minutes more, and NO oil was showing in the sight glass. While running the oil light didn't come on and there was no oil on the floor. Having put in an amount of oil exactly as called for in the manuals I went out for a ride of maybe 50 miles, bike ran fine, transmission was fine, came home and parked the bike, didn't bother to look at the oil level. This morning I put the bike in the chock, looked at the sight glass and still NO oil was showing. Getting my measuring cup back out I added oil, 4 oz at a time. It took 24 oz to come up to the top line. Ran the bike for a short time, turned it off, oil came up to the top line.

The manual says 2.9 qts. The sight glass reading says it takes 3 quarts + 21 ounces. (2 qts, 29 oz at refill plus the extra 24 oz) Since the manuals say check level via the sight glass, I guess my new fill amount, with a new filter, will be this new quantity. I send this info along as an fyi to you folks that believe in doing your own maintenance. Good for you! Might end or help out with all the "topping off" I'm reading about.

I've gone ahead and attached a few photos of the chock I made for this bike. $7 for the 3 2x4's and large eye screws. I had the belts. Works perfectly and I can move it to my trailer when I need to.

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 03-30-2015, 01:14 PM
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Nice chocks.

I tend to use the owners' manual capacity numbers for reference only, preferring to do what you ended up doing: drain the old, change the filter, put in perhaps 2.5L of oil and then start it up, let it run to evacuate all the air from the filter and oil galleys, shut it off, let it sit to allow oil to drain back from the head (etc), then add enough oil to bring it up to the desired level. I couldn't tell you the exact amount I'd add though, just that it's new and up to the proper level.

I'd buy 4-litres ahead of time just to be sure. Whatever I don't use on this change gets rolled into the next one...

BTW, I don't know if you make a practice of this but I advocate pre-filling the oil filter to minimize the amount of air that has to be pushed through the oil galleys as the pump fills the dry filter. Pour clean oil into the filter, let it soak in, repeat and then fill the filter perhaps 3/4" full. Be quick when screwing it on to minimize the amount that spills out.
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I put in about 2.7L (for 3/4 oil level in window); approx. 2.8qt-us. I use a 1L motor oil bottle (those with capacity view & marker).
Best not to use a small cup repeatedly as it will not empty completely; (but you already know that).

There are differences between US and UK gallon, and thus, quart (assuming 4qt makes a gallon for both systems) ... i am no expert on imperial measurements ... the US vs UK gallon puzzles me!
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Seems like i remember ready two different oil levels one is when you change the filter and one when you don't. Yes we usually change the filter with every oil change but i do specifically remember my manual making a distinction in amounts. I measured when i changed my oil an it matched perfectly. if i remember correctly it should take 2.7l because i always have 1L left over from the 3.7L 1 gallon carton of oil. I ride the 2013 CBR500R. I have changed my oil 3 times with the same result using less than 3L
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1) The oil capacity when refilling after an oil AND filter change is 2.9 US qts,

I poured in 2 quarts + 29 ounces. That's 2.9 quarts.

I added oil, 4 oz at a time. It took 24 oz to come up to the top line.

The sight glass reading says it takes 3 quarts + 21 ounces. (2 qts, 29 oz at refill plus the extra 24 oz)
Quarts and ounces - I'm all confused!
The metric system is so much easier to understand for the rest of us.
Trying to figure out how much more you filled in (24 oz), in relation to how much the manual says you should fill in (2.9 US qts = 2 qts 29 oz) is way too complicated for me, being used to the decimal system.
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Thump, I certainly take no offense regarding the incredibly silly ways we have for measuring things here. A different method for lengths, weights, and volumes! Lots of cc/oz converters out there. Seems like 24oz = 710cc.
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I always put in 2.9 litres. When you add 2.7 with an oil filter change, like the manual says, then check the oil level, like the manual says, I found the oil level was at minimum at the level glass window. I find 2.9L is spot on.
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I find depends how long you let it drain for. I always end up with more oil in than the quoted amount. I run it until hot,let it stand for for a few minutes and keep topping up until the oil level is correct. You may find from cold oil level is up to the top of the sight glass. Hot level is the important one.
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I have a GMC 5500 towing truck which I bought recently and using for 24 hour towing queens ny, suggest any good engine and break oil for my truck.

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I have a GMC 5500 towing truck which I bought recently and using for 24 hour towing queens ny, suggest any good engine and break oil for my truck.
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