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post #31 of 116 (permalink) Old 07-12-2013, 05:03 PM
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They are not getting ripped. They got a bike for 7.5k Aussie. If the servicing etc was included it would be more expensive. You'd pay for it one way or another. Your Audi did not come with "free servicing" lol, you paid for it :-)

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Dave,

Re-read my post. Never said Audi did maintenance for free: their strategy doesn't give us heartburn like Honda does.

Talked to my local dealer (VA) today who told me the valve adjustment is $250; fasteners, oil change, etc. another $150.

$400 for a visit within a week of purchase? Please.....
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Flash: that's exactly what everyone has been saying all along :-) anything to do with **valves** and you're screwed. Anything else is fine :-)

Sorry that a defined service check/adjust is "bogus" for you. I had it done on my 250R, and it isn't exactly unheard of for many other bikes :-)

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Spot on, Dave!

My little CBR150R needed a valve check at 600mi and it has a fairing, too, which takes time to take off. Nobody complaining there!

Would be interesting to check the service manual of other bikes, maybe it turns out that most bikes need a valve check at 600mi.

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I looked into this on the Yamaha FZ6R.

Same thing. So it's best not to cry about it. Either do it yourself, or pay to have it done.
Get it done, and move forward. You only have to do it once, then you are good for MANY miles.

I'm not looking forward to dismantling my new bike, but it will be done when the time comes.
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I came across this thread on a Kawasaki Forum, the owner of a 500R asks about a valve check after break in:

"My question is about the first recommended service. Both the dealer and the manual recommend having the bike serviced just after break-in for valve adjustment. This service is going to run around $300 and I'm just wondering if it is all that necessary."

Sounds familiar?

Interestingly this was posted in 2004 - almost ten years ago!

Is dealer valve adjustment bs?
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**** I should have got the NC700X it has screw and nut adjustment like the old Volkswagon engines do and the 4cylinder Goldwings do too

That's why I hate shim under bucket.

the CB500 also has two throttle bodies that have to be sync'd $$$$$$ OUCH $$$$$$$ right in the A$$

But, you just need to have the clearance's checked.

Has anyone done this, them self, anyone have a service manual

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@westgl: I test drove a couple of the 700 Honda variants, also the automatic transmission one, before test driving the cb500f and cbr500r. The cbr500r was love at first ride. I buy a motorbike for riding, not for servicing and worrying about could-have or should-have.

The throttle body is factory preset, no 'carburetor sync' and no 'idle speed adjustment' (don't touch the screws!). The PGM-FI handles the rest.

The owner and the mechanics at my dealership are used to working at Kawasaki ZZR-1400 and similar high performance modern motorbikes. Our CBR500's are simple and accessible in comparison.

Fellow member Gezwindespoed did the valve check:
http://www.cbr500riders.com/forum/en...html#post11227

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The sad thing about it is, in the past Honda made bikes like the Nighthawks & others with hydraulic lifters, so they did not need to be adjusted like this, it seems they are going backwards, even on these low revving motors, The 650 & 750 Nighthawks would rev just as high or higher, and they lasted past 50,000 miles without a head gasket coming off, and they were air cooled, thats what I have read, and been told. I think it about money, that can be made by the dealers, that is why there is no set fees ? There nice little bikes, and they get good MPG. But even the older Ninja 500r was easier to adjust, and they revved way higher. Honda could learn a thing or two from the competition, and there history, even if its a little older. lol...Thoughts anyone ?
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Dave,

Re-read my post. Never said Audi did maintenance for free: their strategy doesn't give us heartburn like Honda does.

Talked to my local dealer (VA) today who told me the valve adjustment is $250; fasteners, oil change, etc. another $150.

$400 for a visit within a week of purchase? Please.....
Okay, I didn't read the bit about built into the sale price. Still, you paid for 4 years of servicing in advance. I would prefer to have that cash paying off my mortgage during that time. I won't get any heart burn because I know that quite a few other models of bike bikes need valve checks at the first service...and I know what it costs.

I knew about the check 5 months ago. It's only needed once until 24000km. So an even extra $250 on top of the normal service price (and just about every bike needs a first service at 1000km!) "In the first week" is nothing over that time frame. Especially when the bike cost a whopping $7500 Aussie.

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The sad thing about it is, in the past Honda made bikes like the Nighthawks & others with hydraulic lifters, so they did not need to be adjusted like this, it seems they are going backwards, even on these low revving motors, The 650 & 750 Nighthawks would rev just as high or higher, and they lasted past 50,000 miles without a head gasket coming off, and they were air cooled, thats what I have read, and been told. I think it about money, that can be made by the dealers, that is why there is no set fees ? There nice little bikes, and they get good MPG. But even the older Ninja 500r was easier to adjust, and they revved way higher. Honda could learn a thing or two from the competition, and there history, even if its a little older. lol...Thoughts anyone ?
You are assuming that Honda's technology is going backwards - come on, you're not serious?
Yes, they lasted, and so should the CB500 series. Who's talking about head gaskets coming off?
Yes, they were air-cooled. That's a thing of the past, like carbs.
If Honda would lose customers because of too high maintenance fees the shops wouldn't make any money.
True, but it had a valve train developed in the 80s.
Honda has almost 70% of the market share in Thailand - how much in your country? I'd say Honda wrote the book where others can learn.

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Sorry guys,

But!

Your throttle bodies Must be sync'd, any time you have more than one cylinder and more than one throttle body they must be checked or else you will have a bike that does not have full power sluggish and runs rough.

that's is just the way it is, with multi-cyl.s, multi-throttle body bikes.

your fooling yourself, if you think you will not need to be syncing the TB's

It is not hard to do, you need a Manometer hooked up to the vacuum line on each throttle body then adjust to get them sync'd together,

I do all my own maintenance, on my bikes, that is why I like to make it easy on my self.

Nothing is hard to do on any of these bikes, problem i would rather be riding than wrenching.

That is the draw toward the NC.

was looking at this bike but now,

I will look toward the NC or CTX

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